The Contested BGAV Presidency, & One Pastor’s Opinion

Note: I don’t normally write things on this blog that are so narrowly focused (Virginia Baptist life to be exact), but this is incredibly important to me, and it is a prime example of how rural churches and female pastors are treated in many Christian circles. If that piques your interest, then by all means, read on… 

BGAV Messengers
2014 BGAV Messengers

In America, small town people sometimes get treated as what rural sociologists call “residual” populations. Let that sink in for a minute. Residual. Extra. Non-important. Leftovers of urban colonies. Residual even phonetically (and semantically) reminds me of the word residue. In many circles of American Christianity, that’s the way small town churches and their pastors are viewed.

A fine (and extremely current) example of this comes in a situation occurring in Virginia Baptist life (a statewide group with which my church affiliates). Allow me to explain.

In the Baptist General Association of Virginia (BGAV), for nearly 20 years, there has been a strong tradition (although not written in any by-law) of the First Vice President of the convention becoming President the following year. Terms are 1 year. This means for nearly 20 years, the First Vice President’s nomination has gone unchallenged.

BGAV leaders started doing this for two reasons:

  1. Nominating the First Vice President means that the nominee for President will have been vetted by BGAV messengers, and received opportunity to learn about the organization’s culture, structure, and budget (among other things) before being elected President. This prevents what one blogger referred to as jumping “out ahead of everyone with a nomination of Pastor Billy Bob” for a key leadership position, which was a very real problem about 20 years ago in BGAV life. Our apologies to any pastors named “Billy Bob.”
  2. During the Baptist denominational battles of the late ’80s and early ’90s, nominations for president became highly politicized (as they had been for years in larger Southern Baptist life). Nominees for president would do things like set up a “campaign headquarters” where volunteers would call pastors and lay leaders to ask for their vote before the annual meeting. People from different political factions would write editorials and articles singing the praises of their favored candidate. A letter might go out to every pastor in the BGAV explaining why the candidate was running, encouraging the pastor to rally their messengers to vote a certain way.
Pastor Nancy Stanton McDaniel
Pastor Nancy Stanton McDaniel

Nominating the First Vice President for the leadership role of President prevents both of the above scenarios, and diffuses the politics that ran rampant in the early ’90s. As you may have guessed by now, there is a challenger to the First Vice President’s nomination this year.

Why is this concerning to me from a small town ministry perspective? The current First Vice President, Nancy Stanton McDaniel, pastors a small rural congregation and the challenger pastors a large suburban one. The critiques leveled against McDaniel are that she has not baptized enough people in the past year, and that her church hasn’t given enough money for her to serve as BGAV President. Consider the following statement:

“Nancy McDaniel (First Vice President) is the Pastor of Rhoadsville Baptist Church, Rhoadsville, Virginia. According to the 2014 BGAV Annual Report, Rhoadsville baptized only one person and gave a total of $1,872.00 through Virginia Baptist Missions under Nancy’s leadership. According to the scorecard, this doesn’t qualify Nancy or Rhoadsville as stakeholders. Personally, I expect more from a nominee for BGAV president.”

-Brad Hoffman, Pastor- Cool Spring Baptist & Challenging Nominee for BGAV President

Rhoadsville Baptist is in a zip code with less than 700 single family dwellings. It’s a smaller church in a rural area. The realities of rural ministry are that growth is challenging, populations are aging, younger families are moving to where more job opportunities exist, and most rural people already consider themselves “Christianized” (which presents its own challenges).

Two key questions for BGAV Messengers:

Q1: How many baptisms does it take before a pastor can serve in a key position in the BGAV? Evangelism should certainly remain a priority for rural churches, but kingdom work is about much more than church growth and soul-winning. I’ve only baptized a few people myself this year (and 6 last year), however, I’m proud to say my congregation is doing great outreach and making incredible inroads in the community. While the number of baptisms is certainly one possible marker for congregational health and vitality, there are many more.

Cool Spring’s 2014 Annual Baptism to Weekly Attendance ratio is 48:1150, or about 4% of weekly attendance.

Rhoadsville’s 2014 Annual Baptism to Weekly Attendance ratio is 1:132, or about .75% of weekly attendance.

If we’re honest, there is room for improvement in both cases, and in both cases there is great cause for celebration. Whether 1 or 10,000 come to faith, we should give praise and thanks to God! Neither ratio is close to what the Bible describes at Pentecost, so every BGAV church should continue to pray for an outpouring of God’s Spirit, that people might come to faith in Christ. That’s my prayer for Urbanna Baptist Church, and my prayer for these two sister congregations.

Q2: How much money does a small church in a rural area have to give before they are considered “stakeholders” in BGAV mission and ministry? Exactly what scorecard are we talking about? Does Nancy Stanton McDaniel’s years of service in Virginia Baptist life, her faithful dedication as First Vice President of the BGAV, or her station as a pastor of a BGAV church not qualify her or her church as “stakeholders?” This language sounds corporate to me, as if only churches with the most “company shares” should have a seat in the board room. In fact, in one blog post, Hoffman posted a link to a definition of “stakeholder” from The definition is plain in stating that “not all stakeholders are equal.” Is Virginia Baptist life going the way of American politics, where only those who pay-to-play (and pay big) have real influence?

The Actual Numbers:

Pastor Brad Hoffman
Pastor Brad Hoffman

Cool Spring Baptist (Brad Hoffman’s church) indeed gives much more money to the BGAV every year than Rhoadsville Baptist Church, but comparing giving simply based on the dollar amounts is not fair. Calling into question Nancy Stanton McDaniel’s (and her church’s) commitment to the BGAV simply based on a dollar amount doesn’t take into account the difference in church size or the ways the church serves in VA Baptist life, and it minimizes the emphasis each congregation seems to place on the Virginia Baptist Alma Hunt Missions offering. So how can we view this objectively?

Of total money collected for special missions offerings (Lottie Moon Christmas Offering, Annie Armstrong Easter Offering, Alma Hunt Virginia Missions Offering, and CBF Global Missions) in 2014, Rhoadsville Baptist Church gave 15.5% of all money collected directly to Virginia Baptists (through the the Alma Hunt offering) – considerably more (both as a percentage and in dollars) than many other churches in the Goshen Baptist Association and the BGAV. When it comes to special offerings, Rhoadsville gives more to Virginia Baptists than to SBC mission entities. By comparison, Cool Spring Baptist gave 2.9% of their special offering money directly to the BGAV, giving far more emphasis and money to the special SBC offerings.  (Source)

As far as total Cooperative Missions giving (which doesn’t count special offerings), Cools Spring’s overall percentage of giving far outweighs Rhoadsville’s. In 2014 Cool Spring Baptist gave 10.1% of undesignated funds for Cooperative Missions, compared to Rhoadsville giving 1.3% of undesignated funds to Cooperative Missions.* See report here.

In terms of the Alma Hunt offering, Rhoadsville gives a much higher percentage of special offering dollars to Virginia Baptists, and in terms of overall Cooperative Missions giving, Cool Spring clearly leads.

So, is this an example of a rural pastor and a rural congregation being treated as residual in terms of denominational life? Do percentages of giving matter more than dollar amounts? If we look at percentages, which percentages matter the most? How do we make judgements concerning leadership positions in the BGAV?

I feel that when a pastor of a large suburban congregation is running against a pastor of a small rural congregation for a high denominational office, everyone involved should be sensitive how statements and truth claims are perceived, and great care should be taken to minimize alienating any churches or individuals.

A Female Pastor:

Additionally, let’s not pretend that Nancy Stanton McDaniel’s ordination isn’t at play here. Sadly, at least one congregation (and perhaps more) has vocally and publicly threatened to leave the BGAV if an ordained woman becomes President.

Thankfully, Hoffman rejects the notion that his nomination has anything to do with Nancy Stanton McDaniel’s ordination, stating:

I think in our Virginia Baptist tribe there are friends on both sides of the issue. For me personally, an ordained woman pastor is a non-issue. Unfortunately, the uneducated perception of some in Virginia will misread my nomination intentions. So let’s set the story straight, I’m not being nominated because Nancy is an ordained pastor. I’m being nominated because things cannot continue as they are in Virginia Baptist life. I’m deeply concerned about the decline and lost focus in Virginia. It’s time for a change and I’m willing to be a part of that change.

One Hoffman supporter writes in a guest article at SBC Voices (original article here),

I am concerned by what I perceive to be an ever widening gap between the BGAV and the SBC.  Many churches within the BGAV are no longer connected to the SBC.  They either give a token amount to the SBC and its offerings, or they give nothing at all.  Many have strongly aligned themselves with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, which continues to move further and further from traditional Christian beliefs.

Baptist churches are autonomous and may affiliate with any mission body they choose. They are also autonomous and free to call whomever they choose as their pastor. A central issue of disagreement between CBF and SBC has always been women in ministry. For many, having an ordained female at the helm of the BGAV is a sure sign of moving away from their own definition of “traditional Christian beliefs.” Rhoadsville Baptist gives almost all of their national mission dollars to CBF (which fully supports women as pastors) and not the SBC (which fully rejects women as pastors). No surprise there.

Nancy Stanton McDaniel’s nomination for BGAV President was recently discussed on the national SBC This Week podcast. (Listen from 8:55-16:39) Repeatedly in the podcast the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message (which rejects women in the role of pastor) is referred to as a binding “confessional statement” in reference to the issue of women pastors. Baptists are not a creedal people though, and Virginia Baptists know this well. The host of the podcast even stated in reference to Nancy’s nomination that “it will be interesting and fascinating to watch this just to see if it turns into a bigger discussion on women’s roles in the pastorate.”

Nancy’s ordination may not be an issue for Brad Hoffman, but it sure seems to be for many of his supporters. I would even go so far as to say his nomination is being couched by some as completely about the issue of women in ministry, which is at best unfortunate and uneducated (to quote Hoffman) and at worst, misleading.

Mission-Minded vs. Missional

Everyone that seems to publicly support Brad Hoffman’s candidacy for presidency highlights how much Cool Spring Baptist financially gives to the SBC and to Virginia Baptists, about the energy and vision Brad will bring to the table, and about his proven leadership abilities. I can personally vouch for the vibrancy of Cool Spring’s ministry, and there is no doubt they do great Kingdom work. Brad has stated publicly that he desires for churches to move from mission-minded to missional- a goal which I wholeheartedly endorse. He also states:

It’s time to put the SBC and CBF hats on the shelf and focus on being more missional. I’m tired of your politics; I just want to be Jesus to a lost world. You cannot be mad about identity and sincerely missional at that the same time.

I’m in complete agreement with this mentality, and Brad is definitely raising some excellent questions for BGAV churches and partners to consider. I feel that whomever the next BGAV president is, we need to focus on missional endeavor and not mission programs and activities. Christian mission is not a calendared program, but a way of being.


I don’t know Nancy Stanton McDaniel or Brad Hoffman personally, but I think they would each bring great strengths to the BGAV Presidency. Frankly, some of what is happening concerning this election smacks of the politics of days gone by. My sincere hope is that God gives each messenger clarity at our meeting next week, and that at the end of the day, advancing the Kingdom takes priority over politicking. We are all family, and we need to stick together no matter the outcome of this vote.

The term of BGAV president is one year. What changes can one person bring in a year that will radically alter the course of our ministry, or insulate the BGAV from feeling the effects of slipping denominational loyalties, and an increasingly dechurched population?  Even David Platt (bestselling author, theologian, brilliant communicator, and mega-church pastor) was unable to keep the SBC’s International Mission Board from downsizing. No matter who the next BGAV President is, they will have some great challenges to face in their twelve month term.

Finally, I would like to encourage small town churches, and female pastors in particular (Virginia Baptist and otherwise), that you are significant stakeholders in the Kingdom. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. God has called you to your town, county, and region for “such a time as this.” You are not the leftovers of denominational life, and you have a place at the table in terms of Christian leadership.

Please don’t let anyone tell you (either directly or by inference) that your ministry doesn’t bear significance. Those few kids in youth group matter. The five people that consistently come to your Wednesday morning prayer meeting are waging Spiritual warfare on behalf of your entire community. That rural homeless ministry with a leadership deficit needs your gifts. Actually, come to think of it, I know a guy from a small town who started off with just twelve followers.

*To calculate this number I took the total undesignated funds from each church, and calculated the percentage of those funds which went to Cooperative Missions giving.

11 thoughts on “The Contested BGAV Presidency, & One Pastor’s Opinion”

  1. Well said, Jonathan. Consider this as well: investment and involement in the BGAV. Nancy has demonstrated her loyalty and leadership in a variety of ways over at least 20 years, always serving willingly and capably. She is one of the best examples of a true Virginia Baptist states(wo)man I know. And her church is more representative of the aggregate of Virginia Baptist churches than some may think.

  2. Though I work for the Disciples, my home congregation is a federation of American Baptist and Disciples. I am so glad you had the courage to name that this “size-ism” happens so easily. Measuring what matters and against comparables is so important!

  3. Great job Jonathan. Saying some things that are hard to say- but done very well. I appreciate your balance of statistics and positives and negatives. You didn’t “bash” anybody. Just layed it all out for people to see. I sincerely hope that God will bless the presidency of whom-ever takes over the position.

  4. Very interesting thoughts. Glad to see the more important numbers brought to light. Simple numbers can be misleading. And God is in the remnant business, and those people are found wherever He places them, whether in large or small congregations.

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